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Gary
March 17, 2019
I've owned a lot of quality optics over the years including over a dozen different Trijicon ACOGs, a US Optics, Nightforce, several Leupold Mk4, etc. Based upon my experience with other Vortex products I expected a very high value (price to performance) ratio on the PST 6-24 FFP. Upon receiving the optic I was very happy with the packaging, etc. My excitement abated when I dialed the optic over 12x. From 6-12x it is crystal clear. Above 12x and the clarity transitions to a "milky" or "foggy" image. Vortex Customer service was OUTSTANDING in addressing my concerns. Unfortunately, they ultimately found the optic is performing to specifications. I think this is a "you get what you pay for" situation. For the price it is a good optic. Vortex's CS is absolutely second to none (I could write an entire glowing report about how they rolled out the red carpet for me). Would I recommend this optic to someone else? Yes, but I would tell them to expect decreasing image quality with increasing magnification. Overall, I'm very pleased with my purchase.
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Bob
November 2, 2019
I’ve run optics from all the quality manufacturers over the years. This offering from Vortex is simply amazing given its price point.
Completely clear edge-to-edge, great tracking. I disagree with some of the reviews here as I experienced none of the clarity issues at magnifications they mention.
I highly recommend this glass for anyone one on a budget shooting precision rifle up to 1000m.
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Brady
December 17, 2019
I purchased this scope just before the deer season to replace a Vortex 4-18x Strike Eagle that was on my Bergara B-14 HMR in 6.5 Creedmoor. The Strike Eagle is a great durable, budget scope that I had no problem reaching out to 500 yards with no problem and I am pleased to say that the PST is its better in every way. The dials are crisp and consistent which made it very easy to sight in. I was also surprised to see that the paralax graduations were accurately marked and useful unlike the Strike Eagle. The clarity of the scope is excellent with good ambient light however, in indoor ranges and at dusk the higher magnifications pick up a slight haze. My only complaints about the scope is that it is a heavy scope and that only three or four magnifications are marked.
As far as durability goes I hunt on an extremely rocky ranch in south Texas and use an old jeep to get around it. After 3 days of violent bouncing and vibration the scope still held its zero and I was able to make consistent shots out to 500 yards. I would highly recommend this scope to anyone looking for a great hunting scope that can also help you reach out to distance.
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Roger Welborn
March 23, 2019
I have purchased many Vortex PST scopes in the past. The clarity is unsurpassed! Dials move and click just right.
They have the quickest eye piece of any, including Leupold. (my opinion) Buy this and never look back, because it is better than many 1,000.00 + scopes.
The reticle in the FFL model does not get too large.
Great on my 6ppc, 7-08 and now 6BR.
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Topclass2017
July 13, 2019
This is a great scope and a tremendous value. Often people will say “it’s great for the money, but...”. No “buts” here. I have three of them. If I acquire a new rifle this is the first and often only scope I consider. Clear glass to the edge at all powers, excellent tracking, reticle not distracting (which can, for me, be a problem with some ranging reticles)...what’s not to like?
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Barry
October 9, 2019
This older model scope has all the functionality of the newer model, at a much lower price point. Interestingly, I already owned the newer 5-25, and find this one almost exactly the same for image and function. I like FFP for hunting, and do use the range finding capabilities. Too much trouble to use separate rangefinder. High magnification very useful for precision sighting in and load development. Why not save some$$? while these last.
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Jim Richberg
January 1, 2024
I own two dozen scopes and this is the best optical performer of the bunch. I recently tested it head-to head to an generation 2 Athlon Ares scope --comparable sized objective but 27 power. The Viper could spot 22LR hits on hit paper at 300 yards, the other scope could not (though it could find them once I knew exactly where to look). The image is clear even at maximum magnification-- I've got other scopes where the image quality degrades at the highest powers. I think you'd be hard pressed to match the performance of this optic in this price range or even for a couple of hundred dollars more, which is why I own two and may get a third while Europtic has them for this close-out price.
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Jeffrey Jantz
May 4, 2023
Got mine in time to mount on my 6 creed before heading out to the NRA Whittington Center. Could easily see the bullet fragments kick up dust after impacting the "white buffalo". I think that target is 1123 yds. Ordered a second scope when I got back home. Can't beat the performance for that price.
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Nick
May 20, 2022
Ordered one and it arrived 2 days later. Installed it on my 6mm ARC and it's been the best scope I've owned to date. I'll be getting another one for my 6.5 Grendel soon
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Gil Williams
April 27, 2022
I’ve been shooting a long time and just bought, installed and started using this scope. It has improved my skills greatly!!! Great glass, easy to set up, and makes a cheap rifle really accurate and really consistent!!! For grins and giggles I mounted it on a Ruger American Go Wild 6.5Creedmoor, 1st shot to begin zero, 2nd shot fine tune 0, then 6 shots in a 3/4” group @ 100yds using factory load hunting ammo.
BEST MONEY IVE EVER SPENT!!!
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Tim
July 7, 2021
Euro-optic was fast with shipping. The optic itself is clear until your power reaches around 14x then it begins getting cloudy ad eye relief also decreases. For the money optic was worth it but definitely not my leupold
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Leonardo Garcia
October 7, 2019
Out of a 5 star review I give it 6 stars. The clicks are very positive! The turrets are not only audible but you can definitely feel it through your fingers. The tracking is spot on! You can zero, go 20 moa up and 10 moa left, then do the opposite and you’ll still be on zero! The clarity is ridiculously clear and the matching reticle is spot on! It’s a no brainer, buy this scope! Buy it with confidence!
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Lance Webb
February 14, 2019
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Jamey smith
February 6, 2024
I bought the vortex viper scope 6x24x50 PST for the 300 win mag I bought. Great deal. It was $250 cheaper for the exact scope I was going to have put on from the store.
I like vortex scopes I think they are a great scope and cheaper than all the other brand scopes. Lifetime warranty. The shipping was super fast I ordered the scope on Friday and had it Monday. Really Great prices on this website. I will be buying from them again for sure. Thank you.
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Nick
February 2, 2024
Clear glass, smooth turrets works really well.
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Ariel Mendoza
February 1, 2024
Great lightweight long range scope for the price, first one I got had a defective parallax adjustment knob but euro optic costumer service was great and sent me another one which was perfect.
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Aaron Riddick
January 12, 2024
Amazing scope at a great price. Shipping was fast and packaging was nice. Couldn't be happier with the purchase.
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david
December 18, 2023
dollar for dollar this scope is hard to beat. can you buy better, sure, but dig deep to do it.
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Peter
December 17, 2023
I have a number of scopes from the major manufacturers. This particular scope is mounted on a Springfield M1A Super Match. Not to go on and on , simply said it's worth every dollar. Optics are incredibly clear, and the adjustments are smooth and flawless. Great buy!
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Scott Shaffer
December 15, 2023
Let me start by saying I purchased this one before europtic ran out. I have one on a begara wilderness hmr 6.5 prc. Shooting out at 600 yds. Extremely clear and I liked it so much I purchased a 2nd. I'm not even shore what I will put it on yet. Europtic and vortex have been awsome. Thank-you.
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Tim
December 11, 2023
Amazing scope crystal clear great price
Shipping was also great ordered on a Sunday night had the scope before lunch on Tuesday
Highly recommend the scope and recommend buying from euro
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david
December 6, 2023
Vortex Viper does it again! I've run several Leupold however, for the money the Vortex Viper is just hard to beat. The scope arrived and I set it up on my wife's rifle and we're glassing tractor tires, barns, silos, and generators at 914-950 yards. There will be no problem at all with this scope when we go to the 1000 yd. range again. Can you get better glass, sure, but you're going to dig deep for it?
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Branden
December 6, 2023
I have multiple vortex scope and you just can’t beat them. These where about half price so I just went ahead and bought 2.
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Jerry V
November 24, 2023
Super fast 2 day shipping. This is my 2nd pst and I have a bunch of Vortex products. This scope I mounted on a Bergara .308 rifle. I took 2 bucks 1st week of deer season. I really love the zoom and the lighted reticle. Super scope and the best prices around....and who can beat a Vortex warrant. It's a win, win.
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Michael Chance
September 18, 2023
Outstanding scope at a price that cannot be beat. Thanks EuroOptic.com.
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Brad
August 28, 2023
Worked great and us super clear.
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Duke steen
August 12, 2023
Scope is extremely clear and works great. Wish I would have read more carefully and gotten the moa one but this will work.
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Scott Shaffer
June 25, 2023
I purchased this from Europtic and it great. I put on 6.5 prc begera hmr wilderness . Great combination . I.also purchased the rifle there as well. This is my new go to place. Best prices on optics anywhere.
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Adam
June 18, 2023
Great optic for the closeout price! Have purchased a several of the original PST's from euro-optic, my favorite was the 2.5-10x44 but this 6-24x50 ffp is a great option also and the shipping and service is top notch! Mounted it on a ruger american predator in 308 and it works very well on this rifle!
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Kenneth Lamb
June 12, 2023
Great scope! I have the same scopes on two other rifles.
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Scott
June 10, 2023
Great optic at a great price. Europtic is also awsome to deal with it. I put on a Begara HMR wilderness. It's awsome.
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James
May 3, 2023
Very nice scope with plenty of extras!
Glass quality is very nice at this price point. The turrets have very positive and audible adjustments. Tracking and repeatability= excellent.
Euro Optic makes the research/shopping/shipping experience the icing on the cake. A+++
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thomas
March 12, 2023
Great scope offered at a great price by Eurooptic. This has become the first scope I consider when I need a new one. I have 4, all on centerfire rifles, 2 mounted on AR's. Glass is clear at all powers with crosshairs visible in all the light conditions I have used the scope in.
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John mciver
January 27, 2023
This was a great scope at a super price. I was able to get a lot nicer optic for the same price I was going to pay for less quality. So glad I found Europtic!!! Thanks
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Francisco
December 30, 2022
Great scope! Very clear. Eye adjustment works great for those of us that don't have perfect vision. Eye relief is great. Reticle illumination is great!! Can't wait to get out and hunt with it and get the real life experience out on the field!! Oh, and I got it on sale!!! NICE!!! Thank you EuroOptic!!!
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Ronald
December 20, 2022
Arrived quickly, exactly as described. I made a mistake on rings and was very easy to correct throught customer service. Should be your goto store.
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Richard
December 13, 2022
Vortex is my go to optics. Never had a problem
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Gary
December 11, 2022
This scope offers a 1st focal plane illuminated reticle, a zero stop system, side parallax adjustment and a lifetime Vortex warranty. It tracks accurately and the glass is plenty good for what I want to do. At this price point especially, I consider this a screaming good deal.
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M J Kruer
November 1, 2022
Fantastic scope . Price was unbelievable.. could
Not resist the purchase.. service was excellent … arrived in two days as promised !,
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Cooker
September 4, 2022
Great scope at an unbeatable price. I'm not the type that has to have the latest and greatest, so a new series I scope for less than half the price of a series II, perfect for me. Same great scope minus couple minor adjustments. To top it off, Eurooptic has in my opinion the best customer service and shipping policies. Always a great purchase experience for me no matter what I'm purchasing.
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Mark hart
August 27, 2022
Great glass. Outstanding reticle. Controls our first class!
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Ryan blaney
June 7, 2022
Great scope great price great warranty
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J
June 3, 2022
A lot of scope for so little money!
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Travis
May 29, 2022
Great Product !
Great Service !
10 Stars !
Thank you !
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Christopher
April 7, 2022
Brand new in the box. 2 day shipping was 2 day shipping. Very clear, tracking was dead on, and cant beat it with anything for the price. Very happy with this purchase.
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Robert
February 17, 2022
Super-Duper price on an outstanding scope. The scope totally exceeded my expectations.
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Nuts4outdoors
January 30, 2022
Great scope! Glass is exceptionally vibrant. Love everything about it. The price was amazing for the quality of this glass. I got this for long range varmint or target shooting with a 223 long bull rifle. A great marriage!!
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James Patterson
January 18, 2022
Everything showed up all in tack. The optics look superb haven't yet installed on a gun but will be soon.
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Rory
January 16, 2022
Quick shipping scope rocks
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Dwayne Grant
December 26, 2021
I own 6-7 of these and bought all of them from europtic great scope and great price from europtic plus europtic always knocks it out of the park
I ordered this scope on Saturday 2 weeks before Christmas and it shipped the same day and I had it on Monday.
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Don Mock
December 22, 2021
The Vortex Viper PST 6-24x50 Riflescope is great and I got it for an unbeatable price to make it even better.. EuroOptics has good prices and great service and I highly recommend them..
Thanks,
Don
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Derek
December 11, 2021
The amount of scope per dollar with the Gen 1 PST is incredible. You can most certainly find more clear glass to look through (for 3x the price), but the only two I’ve looked down that are more clear is a razor and a Nightforce. I have 4 of these scopes on various rifles now, you can not go wrong with this scope.
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maicoman
December 4, 2021
Does everything they claim. Works to make me put the round in the 10 zone at 600 yards.
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Frank
November 25, 2021
Great scope at a great price. I own 4 Vortex Viper PST 6-24x50mm scopes (mounted on AR-10’s and bolt action rifles), and each one holds zero, tracks well and has superior light transmission.
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JOHN J. BENSON
October 6, 2021
Great Scope. Put it on a Long Range AR and reached out to 785 Yards. Crystal clear. Easy to read Click Stops.
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Jonathan
August 23, 2021
Really amazing, and amazing price.
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Dave Alcorn
August 9, 2021
What's not to like with Vortex products ? Great clarity,built like a tank and don't forget there Lifetime Warranty . No Questions Asked......Period. You break it ,they fix it.
When I need new glass Vortex is the one....
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Gary Murri
August 3, 2021
This is super good scope . I have the scope on two rifles and also on my grandson rifle. This scope works for hunting as well as long range shooting at targets. I enjoy shooting . This scope will do everything that I want a scope to do we got this scope at a reasonable price. I would recommend this scope and company we bought it from anytime I was asked about it
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Deck
July 30, 2021
Great buy for the sale price. Tracks perfectly and is incredibly clear for an under $500 optic. I don’t think it is as good as the Gen 2 but it is half the price. I use mine for mounting on other people’s guns for load development.
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James Marbury
July 28, 2021
I'm a lifelong vortex owner and once again wasn't disappointed. Again the price is the best in the business as far as bang for your buck . Do yourself a favor if you are straddling the fence. Just make the purchase. Oh yea I do not work for eurooptics or vortex just a loyal customer.
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Paul
July 6, 2021
I purchased this scope to accommodate my most recent build-(6.5 creedmoor) this is exactly what I was looking for. The glass is clear and crisp- which makes finding your target very easy.
I really like the option to illuminate the retical for those low light situations. The scope is well built and I have now doubt it will hold zero after being banged around a while. (Not that I do that but things happen and this will definitely hold up if needed)
You can’t go wrong with Vortex and being able to purchase it at such a low price is amazing! Thank you EuroOptics for great deals a incredibly fast shipping!
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Brandon
July 6, 2021
Got what I ordered
Delivered on time
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Mark Taylor
June 23, 2021
Ordered On Tuesday received on Friday. Very pleased.
Thanks!
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Erskine
June 8, 2021
I wanted this scope based on the experience of a couple of friends. When I saw it was marked down by 50% I had to jump on it. I very happy to say it is a great scope.
I am very happy with my purchase.
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Jon
June 27, 2020
This is a very high quality product with a crystal clear picture even at max magnification. The clicks on the turrets are very crisp. Once sighted in, I let me wife, who has never shot through a scope, fire it and she was hitting dead on. The price through Eurooptic cannot be beaten. The quickness at which I received my product was incredible as well. I will definitely be buying more from them and definitely more from Vortex.
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Scott
June 13, 2020
I’ve built my R700 AAC-SD .308 over time - & when funds were available - into a highly capable LRP rifle... A-5 chassis, Timney trigger, DBM mod, et al, all except for optics that were far inferior to what my R700 required to be considered proper capable for LRP shooting. Given the fact that I’ve built it over time as my budget allowed - a limited budget, mind you - I had my heart set on a Vortex Viper PST 5-25x50 Generation TWO: on average around $1,000, & out of reach for me for quite some time, I suspected.
When I found a Gen ONE available on EuroOptic for almost half the price, I couldn’t let it pass me by; I bought...
My Gen I Vortex Viper PST 6-24x50, MOA, FFL has been everything I hoped for, & everything I expected from Vortex down to the finest details & attention to quality, design & features typically reserved for optics sold for 3x the price at a minimum.
Thanks to EuroOptic making an $800 scope accessible to me at a shocking sale price, I’ve been able to complete my build far sooner - & far better - than I ever expected; that means a lot to me...
I commend EuroOptic on their superior products & fair pricing, as well as customer service / support that properly represents the caliber of business that they seek to be.
Great scope - great price - great company, hands down...
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Don
June 7, 2020
Poor eye relief for me, I prefer Nikon scopes they have the best eye relief. It looks like the scope is made in the same factory in the Philippines it is very good quality looks excellent it’s just not for me
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Jon
June 6, 2020
Amazing quality and crystal clear view. Positive, crisp clicks on the turrets. Incredible price as well. Very highly recommend.
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kent
May 7, 2020
Love the optic and can't beat the price. Also shopping was very fast
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Clay
April 12, 2020
I have purchased, mounted, and put to use several of these Vortex Gen 1 PSTs, and my opinion is that these are a GREAT Value. Very good glass, almost perfect tracking, easy adjustments, and 100% reliable without any problems. Are there better scopes with better glass? Sure. I also own some Leupold and NightForce scopes that I love, and if I had an unlimited budget, I would probably just stick with those brands. However, because I cannot afford to put my favorite Night Force on every gun I own, I appreciate that these Vortex models get me very close to the best at a price I can afford. I am very happy with all of my Vortex purchases.
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A.J.
April 11, 2020
Scope works great on my new AR10. Bought the Viper Sunshade also. Don’t bother with that, this scope comes with one! Unbeatable value, Thanks!
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Kevin
April 10, 2020
Great scope for the money, I have a pst gen 2 and in my opinion the pst gen 1 is just as good.
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Darin
April 3, 2020
This is my first FFP high magnification optic. I purchased it for a Aero M5 Ar10 with 18 inch Faxon barrel (will probably switch to 20-22 inch 6.5 creedmoor in the future). I've mounted it using a Vortex Viper 30mm cantilever mount and everything mounted easily and looks good. I've only been out shooting with it once. I used 168 grain OTM at 100 yards. It took about 5 shots to zero dead on @ 100 yards. I was getting consistent .75-1 inch, 3-5 shot groups. I don't have much to compare this to but it seem very nice to me. I usually run red dots (Trijicon MROs) or ACOGs and previously the most variable magnification I had was one Nikon 3-9x40, so this is a big jump up in quality and magnification. I mainly purchased it because it has the lifetime warranty and was half the price of other 24x + FFP. I still go back and forth on the MRAD vs MOA but I went with MOA so I guess that's what I'm stuck with. I will be temporarily mounting this on my SCAR 17 just to see what accuracy I can get out of it, so we will see if it lives through that. If I have to use the warranty at that time, I will update this if possible. I'd buy it again, possibly with MRAD but I don't do enough long range shooting, as of now, for that to matter much.... I'm happy with it.
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DARRELL
March 27, 2020
Very very good service. Shipped same day I ordered. Looking forward to doing business with them again.
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Cody
March 21, 2020
Excellent long range scope with good glass at a great price. Plus vortex has one of the best warranties out there.
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Darren Darby
February 22, 2020
Outstanding optic at an outstanding price.
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James
January 31, 2020
Great scope for long range
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Josh
January 27, 2020
This scope is terrific. Clear glass edge to edge. Probably the finest crosshairs I've ever owned. I got a screaming deal from Eurooptic and shipping was quick. I couldn't be happier.
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David
January 25, 2020
Fits the bill scope is everything I needed and more great clarity perfect for making those long shots.
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Pattycakes
January 24, 2020
Clear edge to edge at all optical power levels. The first scope I received had an issue with the dioptic adjustment, eurooptics staff was great to deal with and got me a replacement quickly. Very happy with the scope and the service.
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Michael
January 21, 2020
Not much else to say that hasn't been said about the 6 X 24. The one I received is clear at all powers. EuroOptics had a great price and shipping was quick.
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Christopher Schafer
January 17, 2020
Excellent clarity, great illumination, and great adjustment, each turret adjustment is firm and audible. This optic has alot of value for the money, not to mention I got a smoking deal on it from my favorite Optics retailer!
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Adam Elliott
January 13, 2020
This was my first optic for long range shooting and couldn't be more pleased with the quality and the price. You can't beat Vortex quality accompanied with its VIP warranty. Had a buddy on the range with me who had a Leopold Mark 4 tactical and was really impressed with the glass clarity and scope options on this Vortex optic versus his more expensive setup. For anyone looking to get into learning MOA for long range shooting and measuring distances this is the way to go. The only con I have with the scope is I am left handed and the illumination turret can sometimes scrap your knuckle when operating the bolt, but other than that no complaints.
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Harris
January 3, 2020
Very nice scope and good service. Scope covers are about, no the worse I have ever seen for a $500 to $1000 dollar scope. Low end covers on a $70 scope would compare. I know most folks replace anyway so no big deal.
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Vasily
January 1, 2020
Very good scope for the price.
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Mac
December 26, 2019
Haven’t had a chance to shoot with it yet, but the glass looks great! Eurooptic.Com was easy to navigate and ships fast
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Easy money Montana
December 12, 2019
This is my second vortex viper pst. They are very clear and work well for hunting and long range shooting. I have one on a custom .300 rum and another on a ruger percision 6.5 prc. No problems holding zero and easy adjustments. Highly recommend vortex.
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Tim
November 20, 2019
Great scope. The turrets track accurately which enables the shooter to dial in targets more efficiently. The turrets are crisp and you can hear the click, which I think is a bonus. The zero stop is a must as well as the FFP. The reticle is great for quick hold over shots. On 6 power, the reticle is a little faint but still workable. I don't notice a change in weight compared to my last burris black diamond scope. The clarity of the scope is great. My friend owns the same scope and has it placed on a 22-250 Ackley. With no wind, he has no troubles shooting out to 1000 yards repeatably. I have the Leupold LRP and the Burris Veracity and this scope out performs the Veracity and is pretty even with the LRP. The rear focus is nice, but when putting scope caps on, the caps will turn while you focus. Great scope, glad I purchased it from Eurooptic. Best price on the intranet for this scope.
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Benjamin
October 23, 2019
Yes, it was love at first sight. I had researched for months before purchasing this scope, the Vortex Viper PST (Gen. 1) 6-24x50, EBR-2C, MOA. I bugged the hell out of the employees of all the local gun shops, and the shops I went to while traveling. I looked through dozens and dozens of scopes, ranging in price from a couple hundred to a few thousand dollars. Is this the highest quality glass that I looked through? No. Is it the one that best fit my criteria for quality, reticle, and price? Definitely. The price being $529.99 at the time of purchase afforded me the opportunity to own a much nicer scope than any other scope you could purchase for even hundreds more.
As far as EuroOptic goes, they are top notch. I emailed a question to customer service before I made the purchase and I received a fast, informative, courteous reply. Most companies, if you ever do get a reply, take days to respond. I got my answer from EuroOptic in about an hour. Yes, WOW!!! And I received my order in 5 business days from placing my order. That is something that I really appreciate.
I am a EuroOptic customer for life and hope you will give them the chance to become one too.
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Scott
September 27, 2019
Great looking scope with Crystal clear glass even into the higher magnification. The best part about it is a decent longer range scope for a killer price.
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Jules Rodigou
May 3, 2019
Eurooptic had a great price on the Viper PST. It works nicely on my Tikka CTR 6.5. Fast shipping too.
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John
April 24, 2019
All functions are great and it's the best value for your money
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Timothy
August 1, 2022
Looks real nice. Have not had time to mount it yet. Looking forward to mounting and getting it zeroed in.
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Dwayne
May 20, 2019
Very good scope for this price range solid dials positive clicks easy to turn turrets magnifying ring is on the stuff side but easily fixed with switchveiw I liked it so much I just bought my fourth one to replace scope that came with rifle now every rifle I have this scope on is shooting better than 3/8" moa or better I just don't like how much of the reticle I loose on high magnification with first focal plane just buy one before there gone you'll like it pull the trigger already and quit reading this
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CDB
April 4, 2019
Arrived promptly, the price is the best period. Just bought a Rpr in .308 & needed quality glass to go with it. I am really pleased with this scope. As of this review I haven't had a chance to put it to use, only got it mounted & squared away. But already feel good about this purchase.
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bfoosh006
June 28, 2019
Very happy to have found these scopes still available.
The 1st Gen has many features that are no longer available .. unless you jump up in price.
The whole reticle illuminates on these... in order to get that on the current Gen's.. you need to jump up quite a bit in price.
Another "perfect" feature , is the cross hair centers is open slightly. That allows you to see the point of aim, rather then covering the point of aim.
Little things like that matter.
Scope arrived in perfect condition and very promptly.
EuroOptic went above and beyond to call of duty.
I whole heartedly recommend them.
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Dennis Lemke
March 18, 2019
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Margaret
October 30, 2019
No problems with adjustments...fit...it's mounted but have not have time to take it out yet....
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